Paint? Thanks, Bob RobertHeath, Mar 25, 2013 #1. kylenelson You'll find me on the floor I Support TFP Senior Member. Easily applied with roller, trowel or sprayer producing a continuous moisture barrier with outstanding adhesion. This may lead to mold.You must also tape the backerboard seams with fiberglass mesh drywall tape. When these products set they will create a rubber-like coating on your walls that is waterproof. Use the Manage Attachments feature below the Reply dialog box. When I'm done I'll post a picture to make sure I got enough of it out. Or, should we only RedGard where we think we are going to have tile, and then use joint compound on the DuraRock to smooth it out a bit before painting? View Full Version : Redguard mistake on shower pan. kylenelson, Mar 25, 2013 #2. It will bond to pvc and most hard plastics. First let me start by saying that I really appreciate the way you explain how to do proper tile work in just about every possible situation that is involved in the process.Very detail oriented with no bs. I wanted to avoid setting a very thin hex mosaic tile … Before applying Redgard, would you recommend taping/thinsetting the seams where the niche meets the CBU? After the tile work is properly set, follow the architect's and manufacturer's instructions to … You need a full coating for the product to be effective. Okay......now I'm really confused. You can get a gallon of Redgard online for about $45.00 plus shipping. Also, can the same thinset be used for floor tile in the same bathroom? Killz is the most readily available, but any drywall or paint primer will work fine. Then a scraping I will go- finally have a chance to get at it tonight. I thought Redguard was … Yes, you can run the tape from the backer to the tub and redgard. Having two barriers this close together leaves open the chance of trapping moisture between them with no way for it to evaporate. If you are just tiling around your tub or pre-formed shower base you can find that manual here: Liquid Topical Waterproofing Membranes for Shower Walls. Laticrete’s Hydroban, for instance, goes on light green and dries forest green. I normally use three coats. Because I’m using Redgard, can I use mesh tape and thin-set over the seams and then paint on the redgard… I’ve tiled probably well over 1000 showers in my 20+ years of setting tile directly over backer board and to my knowledge never had a problem. I saw your site too late. If that doesn't work, you can always pick at it for a while. If you laid a 12" tile over redgard and assume the redgard is essentially not moving any moisture and neither is the tile, the center middle of that tile's moisture has to now dry through 6" to get to the side of the tile. Also, can Silicone be used (with sufficient drying time) in corners before applying redgard? Declares that whomever is building the shower does not have confidence in their ability to waterproof a shower using a proven method. Unmodified or modified thinset over Redgard in shower walls and ceiling? When used on shower walls it is a (relatively) quick, effective water barrier for your installation. I have a existing tile shower. If you are using a roller Custom (the company that makes redgard) recommends that you roll on the first coat horizontally and the second coat vertically to ensure full coverage. My dilemma is that the gap is too big in some areas (1/4”). Double-check...if this is true, there is a preslope, Redgard, then the final setting bed, then the thinset and tile. So we bought some…and I understand how to apply it, however I’m just worried the tile glue we have won’t stick to it. This is useful in that when it is dry it turns dark red. However, due to the potential for inadequate seals, don’t use this product over top of plastic and avoid those plastic barriers commonly used when installing tile … (That’s the word on the street…), Help with all your tile needs (and extreme jackassery!). But will unmodified thinset be weaker and not properly hold the tile over time, especially on the ceiling. We are not sure where the tiles will stop (somewhere around 12-16 inches from ceiling), but will gauge as we get near to top and are able to use a full tile at the top and also judge by what looks pleasing to the eye. Apply a minimum 3/64" (1.2 mm) of RedGard over the joint and substrate following the instructions detailed in APPLICATION. I am attempting my first tiling project at my house. I do have a vapor barrier behind the CBU. Their product choices include a wide range of sizes, curb widths, drain type/shape/locations, with/without bench, and shape choices (rectangle, neo, etc.). Notify me of follow-up comments by email. Do backer board walls have to be dampened with a sponge before applying redgard? Now I am reading this is a big mistake as it creates the moisture "sandwich" and will cause mold in a couple weeks/months. I am using tumbled travertine 1" x1" mosaic for the floor and 8" x 20" for the walls. Thanks for the quick reply. Can you redgard the gap between the tub flange and backer board? Now I am reading this is a big mistake as it creates the moisture "sandwich" and will cause mold in a couple weeks/months. That’s it – go have an adult beverage until it dries. Tile-Redi, a leading manufacturer of tile-over pans offers a wide range of shower pans that are ready for tile, including curb and curbless models as well as special features, such as infinity drains, tile-over drains, and shower seats. Using RedGard under floor and wall tile will create a barrier that will be undisturbed after the tile is installed and grouted. Thanks for the great resource! Yes, you can, but why would you? These materials can be installed with a regular paint brush, paint roller, trowel, or even sprayed on. What type of thinset and grout should I use for the travertine? It’s time to finish the shower. These products can also be used as waterproofing on your shower pans in leiu of a regular pan membrane. Can redgard be painted and if so what kind of paint will stick. Also, I believe modified takes longer to cure and requires aeration, and with Redgard being an impervious layer I feel will not allow it to aerate properly to cure. Roger, I have black mastic residue from pulling up linoleum. Apply a minimum 3/64" (1.2 mm) of RedGard® over the joint and the substrate, following the instructions provided previously. Your best bet would be to call armstrong's technical services dept. That said it seems to me it would prolong drying. I had a contractor put in shower pan. The gap is greater than 1/4” in some areas and is too big for caulk. Is there a solvent other than gasoline or acetone that I should use before I attempt to peel the redguard off? The instructions say to fill the gap with 100% silicone, but I can’t find any info on the CBP website about applying Redgard over silicone. Unless you meant ‘can I tape the gap and use redgard over it’, in which case the answer is yes. Or what can be used on fiberglass shower walls, I do not want to tear the fiberglass shower out, I just want to upgrade it! Redi Base ® one-piece, leakproof shower pans come in over 100 standard models with a variety of sizes and drain locations. I have almost an inch gap between Saltillo and the wall where custom building products commercial silicone has stood up for almost 5 years. Can I just sand this down and apply Red Guard. DuraRock is up and seams are all taped and have thinset on them. Yes, you can use silicone first if you want. Original review: Aug. 12, 2020. Thanks in advance! #3 01-15-20, 05:29 AM Marq1. Okay- thanks I am going to try to peel it off of the pan....I hope I can get at it- seems to be on there pretty good. Creates more problems that did not exist and 2. Can I redgard a shower pan and curb if they have a PVC membrane under it? The brand we have is flextile. I also use these products for main or additional waterproofing on things like shower niches and concrete wall in basements, places where it is difficult to have a plastic vapor membrane behind the backerboards. They could use the RedGard using the "divot method" around the drain. Installation doesn’t get easier than this! After all the corners are coated I use a paint roller and pan to cover the walls. Your tile can then be installed directly onto your walls over the membrane with a proper thinset mortar. RedGard the exposed wall, across the floor, and around the divot and the drain ring. Then set tiles 1/8” above tub shoulder. I would tile the floor leaving a grout joint against the drain and then screw the drain down until it is even with the tiles. Awesome. Use powdered thinset that you mix with water. If it’s too large to fill with caulk it’s too large to fill with redgard. We are tiling our 3 shower walls. We used a recommended water resistant dry wall…have properly prepped all the walls and just before we were going to prime them, we were told to apply redgard. I think your overthinking it. Everything looked as described in other threads I have read on here. Margaret, please keep all your project questions on this thread. I just want to do the right thing. We have DuraRock from the shower pan all the way to the 9 foot ceiling. Tile Redi is the most well-known manufacturer of tile-ready shower pans, and most of what they offer is available for purchase on Amazon. Most of the product specifications for these materials state two coats to be sufficient, and it probably is. RedGard waterproofing membrane is an easy-to-install solution to prevent water leaks through horizontal and vertical installations. Redgard is bright pink – I mean pepto-bismol pink, it almost glows in the dark. That should be enough to do a regular tub surround. there’s no guarantee it will not take and keep moisture, and may likely fail into a soggy mess. You gotta like my page. Make sure to check the website for your product, they have a load of information for them. So do I have to rip out the pan and start over? These membranes consist of products such as Custom Building Products’ Redgard and Laticrete’s Hydrobarrier and Hydroban and Mapei’s Aquadefense. Reduces crack transmission in ceramic tile or stone floors. Mind you the application I’m inquiring about will not be exposed to any water whatsoever, but it will be exposed to the sun and temperature. I got the redgaurad off - but I would like to post a pic. That is a five foot back wall with two 3 foot side walls. Ready to apply RedGard For my sealer, My question is. You can use any good modified thinset over redgard. These products shrink a bit as they dry so you must make sure that it has not shrunk enough to create holes or voids in places such as corners and seams. No. This seals the pores of the backer and doesn’t allow it to suck moisture from the layers of redgard as it normally would. What I meant was tape the gap with mesh tape from the bottom of the backer board down to the top part of the tub flange and regard over the mesh tape with a couple of coats. This finished tile floor is installed over a plywood and cement backer board subfloor. Hello, I was planning on taping this gap and using regard on top of the tape (a couple of coats). I’m weird like that. I need to tile this floor so could I Redgard the mastic residue so my tiles thin set will have a bondable surface? What are my best options? All the cool kids are doin’ it. I've had too many experiences with customers telling me about the very slow drying time with pre-mixed tile … I think I'm ready to tile but I have a couple questions before I start. I do know you can do this with Redgard, Aquadefense, and Hydroban. A combination of all of these? They are applied to your shower walls then tile is installed directly onto it. If you are tiling your floor and walls and using a liquid membrane you can find that one here: Liquid Topical Waterproofing Membranes for Floors and Walls. Joint compound? Or, to meet the requirements of ANSI A118.12, apply two thicker coats of RedGard. Thinset? For the shower floor, just spread thinset on the floor with a 1/4x1/4 notch, hard to spread the backs of the tiles. I will refer to all the membranes as Installing tile over a wood subfloor is a lot easier today than it was when I started my remodeling career. My son told me all the cool kids are doin’ it! Any help is much appreciated! Just need a bit more info to be able to help. It’ll be fun. Greatly appreciate the response. The contractor told me to put Redguard on the curb and "all over if you want to" so I put Redguard all over the pan and curb and 12" up the Durock. Now, let it dry and it's ready to be tiled. Left a nice small gap for caulk. I think your overthinking it.what are they overthiking ? Am I probably fine for an infrequently used shower in a basement bathroom? Make sure the first coat has fully changed color before applying the second coat. No, you’ll need to tape and mud it, then use redgard over that. You can browse through the many Tile Redi choices here. The easiest way I have found to install Redgard is, after the walls are prepped properly, start with a paint brush and thoroughly coat all the corners and angles. The other membranes are similar. Self-Leveling Underlayment LevelLite Self-Leveling Underlayment helps LevelLite Self-Leveling Underlayment helps level floors prior to the installation of ceramic I'm not sure it is designed for direct placement on the pan for tile. Do you know if it can or should be done? Once that is up on the walls, you simply tile over it. You must then do a whole second coat the same way. You may be able to get better prices by ordering online but make sure you take shipping costs into consideration. Water damage prevention is active from both sides of the RedGard membrane. Once RedGard has cured, you’re ready to set your tile or stone. STANDING water is the problem, water cannot stand on vertical walls. Can we paint over this white and the tile still stick? I would use tape and mud, let that cure then redgard over everything. Any information would be helpful and appreciated. vBulletin® v3.7.4, Copyright ©2000-2020, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd. They are a bit expensive. I wouldn't have put it all over the shower floor. And because every shower design is different we offer a variety of entrances as well: single curb, double curb, triple curb, or barrier free. Thanks! 1-1.5 hours . Redgard has an open shelf life of about one year. I now have manuals describing the complete process for you from bare wall studs all the way up to a completely waterproof shower substrate for your tile. Can redguard be used on fiberglass shower walls? Ideally, the product is made so that you do not ever see the final product behind your brand new substrate. Ideally, it’s best to apply Redgard directly onto concrete or cement backing. Secondly, it depends on which particular flex tile product you have. I have 2 quick questions… 1. The only drawback for these products, if you choose to look at it that way, would be the price. He did the pre-slope, curb, liner, & mud. Repair of 3 rows of tile at bottom of shower wall and floor. Greatly appreciate the help- you guys are the best! But, what then what do we cover the redgard with in the non-tiled area? Do I need to rip it out- how about using a blade and trying to get underneath and peel it off? Above the tile will just be painted wall. The contractor told me to put Redguard on the curb and "all over if you want to" so I put Redguard all over the pan and curb and 12" up the Durock. You can either stop the redgard at 2″ above the shower head (no water is going to get to it above that), or you can use a primer over the redgard, wall mud (joint compound), then paint. Primer and paint? Using a pre-fab type of flooring system with drain and correct pitch already built into the floor make that part easy. What are the acceptable methods to waterproofing the redi niche and Durock edges (basically around the niche)? Install the tile work onto the membrane, but do not bridge the joint. The Tile shop guys said to put Redguard over the cracks and then a thick layer of thinset to raise the tiles flush with the surrounding wood floors. We have covered our shower with Redgard and now want to install white glass tile. I will refer to all the membranes as Redgard for the purposes of this post, but they all work nearly the same way. Water proofing is a relatively new concept for shower walls. You may be creating a hell of a lot more issues than you want. Does anyone have experience installing vinyl glue-down tile over Redguard? Thanks- my picture is what the shower looks like after scraping as much redguard off the pan (and skin off my knuckles) as I could, I left the corners and curb- is this what I was supposed to do? Therefore, the material you place the Redgard putty on is important. Nearly any of the powdered adhesives (thinset or mortar) will work fine over redgard, if it’s mastic or another pre-mixed type of adhesive it can not be used over redgard. The versatility of these products make them a integral part of my shower waterproofing toolbox. If their is any gaps after using red guard on new cement board on 3 rows of tile can you use flex seal over the gaps? I’m using Durock, Redgard, and a Redi Niche. Then, take the remaining half gallon and apply it as a second coat. Ready-to-use, elastomeric, waterproofing and crack prevention membrane for all interior or exterior commercial and residential tile and stone installations. you should not be using green board to tile onto. Any of them work. Why would you need to tape that edge at the tub flange? Fill the divot with mud. Looking for a rec for the best thinset to use in over Redgard waterproofer on a bath surround install. tape over joint. Really. These membranes consist of products such as Custom Building Products’ Redgard and Laticrete’s Hydrobarrier and Hydroban and Mapei’s Aquadefense. Just thoroughly coat the entire inside of your shower until the whole thing is bright pink – enough so it can be seen from space. Using 12×12 tile. Those big triangular holes in the mud job I filled in with plaster. RedGard is formulated for tile to be set over it. Can we paint the whole thing with RedGard and then not tile over the Redgard? It is imperative that you do not install plastic behind your walls since this would create two waterproof membranes with your substrate between them. I thought maybe the tape and redgard coupled together could fill the gap. Waterproofing membrane is added over the tape. Which particular product (brand name). I don’t know if it’s any help but some good quality silicone caulking should easily fill 1/4”. Yes, you can also fill it with silicone – it will work, it’s just not the best solution. Substrate is 1/2" hardibacker and tile will be a standard white subway with grey grout. Now that I've gotten to the tiling stage for my shower (after my redguard mistake) I want to make sure I'm using the correct thinset and grout for my tumbled travertine. Redgard will work, but a primer made for self-leveling cement works as well, and is much less expensive. The floor becomes part of the wall system when you wrap the membrane into the floor system. Hi Larry, Take half of a one gallon pail of RedGard and spread it over 25 square feet for the first coat. I wouldn't do that. This is more of a cosmetic application question as opposed to applying redgard on a tile substrate. In an effort to make a new basement shower extra waterproof, I put up 6mil vapor barrier on the studs, 1/4 inch hardiebacker on that, and then one thin coat of Redgard on that. I always have Redgard with me. Make sure your specific product includes specifications for this application if you choose to do that. Professional Tile Installation Contractor Fort Collins and all of Northern Colorado. It will create a damp layer (mud bed) between two waterproof layers (liner and redgard) and it will grow mold. What type of Primer do you suggest to paint over the RedGard with before applying Joint compound? Hi Roger, My client ordered a Redi Tile shower pan which requires using epoxy thinset. Yes, since you already have it there just sand it down and apply redgard over it. You should be used to it after a few minutes. Can I use a ceramic tile adhesive over the red guard. Just installed Durock on my shower walls, Taped and muddied joints. The Redgard is created to prevent cracks that could ultimately damage your tile or stone installation, as well as make the wall behind the tile waterproof. Also apply membrane over any uncovered backer board and screw heads. I don’t have that luxury at this point! Should I sand off the Redgard? I’ve decided to have my privacy violated and start putting things on Facebook. No silicone around the drain then- thanks. 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